apologetics might happen, but only as a byproduct of our chatting Now what will you do about your own unsubstantiated attack? Why trust one of those as absolute truth and dismiss the others as mistakes? Chi rho tattoos are related to Jesus and Christianity, as the X and P are the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ. It seems that once more your perception is colored by your something other than the statement itself. I seem to remember you having a rather extended time to present your case and failing to do so convincingly before Dr White got frustrated and did I think wrongly hang up on you. You might want to look at Mr. Whites recent post, where he says, Akin has been avoiding doing a real debate since he lost the only one we have done (on KIXL). You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. Admin Street1:P.O. Tech Email:[email protected] Therehappy? Example: This is indeed childish behavior. We deserve the ridicule of White like good children deserve cake. I dont need to read everything hes written about every topic in order to engage in discussion about a single topic. If anyone does not abide in me, he shall be cast outside as the branch and wither; and they shall gather them up and cast them into the fire, and they shall burn (John 15:4-6). Ill ammend my positions and habits post haste. Thoroughly. BTW, did anyone see the White/Pacwa debate? They have 5-children: Sage, Immagin, Saylor, Stellar, and Augustine. Salt Lake City, Utah, Road Trip Schedule Debate: What is Marriage? Barry: Without knowing who linked the jamesrwhite.org website to Catholic Answers, any discussion of why it was done is pure speculation. Registrant Phone:+1.9512424988 I assume you wouldnt try discussing theology with somebody wearing a Marilyn Manson Antichrist T-shirt. I never do, but then, like I said, Im not as apt to jump on the conspiracy train. Plenty of people died for their religion during and after the Reformation. Catholics and Protestants both believe what they say it says. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? Bible versions are, Westcott and Are you interested in alpha omega tattoo designs? We dont have that luxury, since were not God. Sola Scriptura is a central tenet of most of Protestant Christianity due to the fact that all operating Protestant doctrines must conform to its principles. This is simply without basis. Chuckto the extent charity isnt shown to Dr. White, Id agree. and the indigination is too much certain Baptist church in Kansas to picket He allows those who dont forgive to do likewise, as in if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.. I am a theorist I merely analyze humor he has to consider its impact. I will not claim to be friends with him, but I have met him in real life and he is the real deal just a good person. Anon, Ill choose to not read Dr. Whites book at this time. The Vision of Isaiah Mr. Whites post comparing Catholics to Islamic extremists is internet troll-like behavior, and Jimmy called him on that. LOL at that one! No, you were responding in a manner that changed the topic from whom one should confess to into a highly complex question of my personal religious state as compared to that of the Twelve. your inability and/or unwillingness to suppose that the world is larger than you are, that God is larger than you are So far, you have declined to explain. I forgot Jimmys blog doesnt carry formatting through paragraph breaks. I cant help but think that the average online lay person from both communions will have to take the lead in this matter. The Lord turned his life upside down at that time and filled his heart with a passion to end abortion and rescue preborn babies headed to death at abortion mills in the Valley. How about the guy who accused Dr White of multiple errors and deceptions with regards to the teachings of Rome and then phoned in to say he needed to do three months of research to come up with even one. Are you considering the original context, author, audience, and the genre of what you are reading (didactic, poetry, etc.)? http://www.jamesrwhite.org now points at Whites siteSuspicious, eh? Im sure I can list others. Why would I take time out of my day to look up a debate, especially when there hasnt been the courtesy of a link provided. Further, most laws we know of in advocacy and argumentation is made-up; yet, that doesnt mean they do not apply. Hehe, found out something amusing. Just who is the you in your comment: Those Jedi mind tricks dont work on me. CareBear: There are those who simply refuse to hear, or read. Also reported on the last few nights in Opelousas (which I mispronounced at the start! Went almost two hours today but its an important program. Perhaps its the dark heart of the matter. sharp contrast to the heresy of Paul Washer, John MacArthur and James White, 7:10,11) He apparently typed it into the form after having paid money from his wallet with deliberate intent that it would forward to that address. Perhaps you should go look up slander before you come around here trying to slander me. Instead of requesting that I just go read the book, why not provide the salient points for me? The Chronicles of King Ahasuerus[21] Amazing so since theyre dead, they dont know anything??? CareBear, But I would ask you to consider, carefully, what you say. Stubblepark, the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works. His blog posts however are invective. The deacon Philip asked the Ethiopian reading Holy Scripture, Dost thou then understand what thou art reading? But he said, Why, how can I, unless someone shows me? (Acts 8:31). This is simply NOT funny. May 13, 2019 - Explore Sam Roberts's board "Alpha omega tattoo" on Pinterest. CareBear, thread is over when Godwins Law is invoked anyway but long ago a corollary to the Law was proposed and accepted by Taki Quirk Kogama ([email protected]): Quirks Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called Nazi Clause is ineffectual.. Rephrase. Given the comments here, the generalization measures up. Or is it all about the win? Also: HEY JAMES WHITE (and all his supporters here)! Council of Ephesus,Session III (A.D. 431),in GILES,252. The Story of the Book of Kings[15] BTW nice site you have and congrats on the wedding. James has asked me to compile the complete response to David Gushees Reformation Project speech. I cant name one error, despite publically exclaiming you have made many, but give me three months of research and I will get back to you.. For God, the divine Author of scripture, His knowledge of the canon never changes and thus the Canon cannot be a mere appendix that resulted due to causality. This fellow painted Dr. White an islamic fundamentalist before Dr. White ever made the pictures in question. Iddo Genealogies But in these discussions, when serious questions of historical transformation of dogma over time call into question the truth claims of Rome, and sting the conscience of those who genuinely seek truth, the reaction of throwing the messenger to the dogs while ignoring the message, and then calling that charity, is maddenly frustrating to watch. Dude, you are *really* reaching. Bodily Assumption? Is everything in Foxes book of martyrs a mere fabrication? Esau, To many, Dr. James White needs no introduction. Take a look at the appendix to the second edition of Chosen But Free by Norman Geisler. As for your second, some other day perhaps you can tell me what you think should means. Asked for prayer for Dennis Pillay and his wife in South Africa as end-of-life issues confront them, that God would give comfort and strength. Acts 4:10-12 If you understand that salvation And yes, by making them, he IS crying uncle. Its as close to an admission of error as youll ever get with him. Given that you are willing to offer an opinion on the call when you dont recall it by your own admission, it seems that you also have a habit of offering opinions without checking the facts. You know how Jimmy always wins those Catholic blog awards? Perhaps the example of the schoolyard bully whos parents can never admit their little Johny could ever do anything wrong would have been less offensive but the point would be the same. What would you say if I told you that the only logical response to that quoted statement was that you had obviously not never listened to White at all? Salesman: Uh, I think maybe the guy who installed my countertops. A person who does this whether correct or mistaken loves me, cares about me, and wants to help me grow closer to Jesus Christ. In the very claiming of oneself a mystic, the cynical paganism of the day would interpret it as unholy pride and therefore the proclaiming would discredit the claim. What we have here, technically, is an example of weak joke competence with no associated humor competence, in the sense of the terms as used by the linguist, Dr. Amy Carrell, who has done the most, to date, to characterize the initiator/target relationship of joke-teller/audience in humor. The Catholic Church has always distinguished between the Kingdom of Heaven and that of Man. CareBear: He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. btw, please humor me and tell me exactly when and how Esau did what youve accused him of doing. Zack and his growing family absolutely love the elders, deacons, and everyone at Apologia. I dont think Catholic answers likes JamesrWhite.org tied(or whatever you call it in this case) to their website. Im glad to hear God led you through! Your opinions dont matter. We have improved your image to the point you really think that you would handle things differently than your medieval forebears. The judge who sits in the courthouse can forgive people after theyve been punished even if the punished have not changed. Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. I am a convert to Catholicism from Evangelical Protestantism (Baptist) and many of the posters here are also former something or others. Probably the same way the Romanists decided. Sorry, 2nd not 1st Corinthians. Care to read the entire work and compose a critique of it? Im not to apt to jump on the conspiracy train as you are. its history, developmemt, and definition is immaterial I expect this from him and other anti-Catholics. Its not in the Bible. To put it charitably. What name-calling did Jimmy Akin resort to? In CareBear says Started off listening to a clip from Dr. Frank Turek with Leighton Flowers wherein Turek opines that many Reformed folks just have not thought through the ramifications of their position. Vile is a name a label What a pointless waste of time. Whites assertions destroy his own position. Same goes for the generally less intense venom seen to some degree on both sides of the debate on this thread, except that I dont pretend to forgive offences that were commited against someone else not me, I just hope they come to repentance (were probably just talking venial sin here but it is still important). My Reply Like the time you found out at the last minute you would have to deploy to Iraq for a year or the time someone told you the towers were gone and you did not believe them. It ignores the giant elephant in the room: Throughout biblical history, God did things incarnationally, through stuff- people, prophets, creatures, nations. I read through a lot of these posts and didnt see anyone interact with Dr. Whites positions. Therefore no, I wasnt asked to summarize and, as I recall, Matthew was replying to someone else entirely in his request for summarization. He preceives himself as being under heavy attack, and when we are under attack we dont always make the best choices. Its time to step back and stop getting involved in feuds with White and people like him, which often turn personal and very nasty (on both sides). judgment by virtue of his humor on some of the blogging Catholics who have contacted him about what they perceive as a lack of charity (and his humor is doing this or could be taken of Mapname.com customer 3 Why not just say, God did it, since to attribute Gods work to mans work is unbiblical. But if it is legitimate to say that God used the distinctive personalities and historical circumstances of these figures to communicate his truth, then something can be both 100% Gods doing and human beings cooperate. I think this will be one of the more clear-cut versions, with a few exceptions. sinner (Romans 3:19), and you believe the Finally, look to what this self-important, supposed Master of Logic said concerning the controversial url: Matthew, Esau and Foxflier Thus the illustration is flawed at its most basic lever. If however you have been reading this blog as long as I have you will know that neither Jimmy nor many of the regular combox contributors are ones to shy away from real meaningful debate on these meaningful subjects. Not that Im asking right now. So what were the Crusades and the Inquisition about, then? The only thing that keeps the trolls here is our inability to honestly express gratitude to White for the credit he bestows upon Holy Mother Church and, by extension, us. That is a relationship of some form. 9+scandal&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us well let me just say, your doing fine in that department already. Box 5121 Where do we see that Pilot and Herod who falsely judged him, the Roman soldiers who executed him, the crowd of witnesses who called, Crucify him!, the leaders who plotted to arrest and try him, or those who falsely testified against him first said, Sorry Jesus.? Im a lurker here, ordinarily, but by the nature of the topic of this thread, I thought I might say something (I am sorry for any formatting problems I rarely post in comboxes). So I will stand up and say when people have boldly crossed the line.). Its like Nietzsche said: His disciples will have to look more saved if I am to believe in their Savior. Or like Chesterton said: There is only one unanswerable argument against Christianity: Christians. In this case, Catholics. The Book of Jasher I probably wouldnt write a blog entry about it, though. So God will providentially preserve the Scriptures and lead His people to a functional, sufficient knowledge of the canon so as to fufill His purposes in inspiring them, and he provide a mechanism for doing just thatthe Church. especially when you consider that Catholic Answers depend on donations, they would thus be very fastidious in keeping their name clean and reputable! There phone # is (951) 242-4988. For my money, there is hardly a dimes worth of difference in approach among most of the sites Ive visited on both sides. Churchmouse??? NOT. Just because Dr. White may personally see his pictures as levity and humorous sarcasm, in a Christian sense, he is Why not just say, God did it, since to attribute Gods work to mans work is unbiblical. But if it is legitimate to say that God used the distinctive personalities and historical circumstances of these figures to communicate his truth, then something can be both 100% Gods doing and human beings cooperate. And He will do it because He loves us. I simply felt that it would be best if the questions asked did not continue to go unanswered (in this particular blog entry,as theyve previously been answered elsewhere), and I lament that there is no combox forum on James Whites blog to hold an actual discourse on his writing. (Fellow Catholics, if I, in any way misrepresent the teachings of Christ or the Church, feel free to correct me. The evasion in the answer is obvious. Did Jesus tell us to forgive only those who ask forgiveness? It is as if yall are unaware of the passage where Paul says love does not take account of wrong done to it. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. He wasnt talking to me. ie urging one another to fully live the gospel in every aspect of our life. So one can not simply wipe their hands of the deal and flippantly reply: Meh, hes saved. Otherwise, how is one to judge between one list of books and another? The word competence here has a technical meaning in linguistics (to paraphrase the redoubtable Wikipedia): Communicative competence is a linguistic term which refers to a learners L2 ability (in general, the ability to process a second language as a native would in the case of humor, to process a joke utterance as a natural example of a joke). Isnt this the kind of answers that Roman Catholic apologists hate? Heh, hehin a funny way, hes doing the kind of thing that Jesuits have been accused of . shes perfectly on topic. I know when I first found this site, I read through a lot of the older posts, if I was interested in the topic. I respectfully disagree with Jimmy. Nope. Then we listened to some stuff from FBC Orlando, then on to Andy Stanley and homosexuals serving and worshipping in the Church. Indeed, her own topic of a nagging, impatient temperament. You have to neccessarily assume all Muslims are terrorists in order to draw the conclusion that these, in the picture, must be, despite no evidence pointing to the affirmation of such an assumption. Alpha Tau Omega. To continue to address your White quotations: Of course, Akin has been avoiding doing a real debate since he lost the only one we have done (on KIXL), and he seems to likewise be using this so as to have an excuse to keep hiding from that challenge.. The evasion in the answer is obvious. A Jesuit will respond to a charge of killing three men and a dog by producing a live dog. Esau, I cannot speak to Jimmys motives, but in my opinion the outrage is convenient in that it allows a clean break while simultaneously indicting James White. Lets examine the demented musings of the disingenuous CareBear: Registrant Organization:to attn. He seems to leave it up to the individual, and seems to assume that each individual will personally experience divine revelation regarding the proper Canon. Godwins Law holds that the longer an online discussion goes, the greater the odds of someone making a comparison to Hitler. But I didnt ignore the thrust of the argument. Which is correct? Im rolling laughing right now at the ignoring of the points raised and the new points being purported like the earlier ones arent even there or assuming they are defacto wrong. Again, my bad for not crying wolf when a dog barks We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (there, he means Catholics); that they possess the Word of God which we received from them. There seems to be alot of talking past each other and just general crankiness. His disciples were empowered. Again, these are only cursory thoughts Ill finish more when I get back from Mass. People on both sides have used weak and strange arguements, I have never seen anything like it to be honest. He has failed to do this or did he really think that Catholics would find his pictures funny? Im not particular about the word cross-examined; challenged, rebutted or countered all work equally well for me. He has completed a BA in English, a NCTJ in Journalism and a BTEC level 4 in Art & Tattoo Design. . He has argued that the King James version has multiple translation errors. They are not charitable. Started off with a run down on a major project we are undertaking during this, our 40th Anniversary year. That said, it does strike me as a tempest in a teapot. So whos got the guts to step up and make the call next Tuesday? It is good to be lumped in with the passionate people for once. God made man in His own image. If you are looking for a graceful design with intricate detailing, then a tattoo like this might be it for you. We should storm heaven with prayers for his conversion. This is a rather convient way to win a debate without ever having to defend a word you say. Youre again committing that same category error. Foxfire, However, Im not quite sure how familiar you are with Dr. Whites work, but his personal comments and his articles differ significantly in tone. Given that the comment was made the intention of injecting levity, it can be forgiven, right? Did SDG actually say its gnostic or is it only what you say he said? returning us to Stage 3. James used to be an Elder at my church, and I've discussed the issue with him several times in the past. GOD knows who did it, but one thing can be certain, NO PROTESTANT would go through such extremes let alone steer folks to Catholic Answers. peace. On the other hand, if a person were committed to seriously talking about a problem in an open-minded way, then even if he insisted on a few isolated uses of unacceptable langauge I would under the right circumstances be willing to talk with him. 602-973-4602 And how binding is a modern fatwa? I mean if Dr. White is to hienous as to poke fun at the double standards a few Roman Catholics then this guy must be just as badright? Augustine? As I have already proven, (the facts have not gone refuted), the pictures do not compare Roman Catholics to terrorists. Some other event has no relevance to this discussion. Something all Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant) can affirm together. -CareBear. Sacralism is a paradigm of absolute unity between church and state that could not, would not distinguish between material, institutional trappings of human magesterial authority and the spiritual realities of the heavenly kingdom. I did do a Google search and found you indeed have credibility. 2. Do you presume I disagree with the main point of his argument? Theres a huge difference between that and the childish, tantrum-like posting of photos that are an angry lashing out. We dont have that luxury, since were not God. The vitriol and sarcasm tossed around the net these days is rather sad. Sorry to ruin yalls frenzy fest. How, then, do we pick which OT laws are valid and everlasting (10 commandments) and those which are no longer binding (laws about mixing flax and wool, for example). Or are you so wrapped up with your infatuation for James White that you didnt even pay attention to certain particulars which have clearly gone above your head! Im not going to read White, however, since there are such a lot of other Protestant authors out there whom I personally judge as more scholarly. I havent read the book by Dr. White. But all available evidence is that inconsistency has nothing to do with his annoyance. Feel free to uncharitably construe my words in the worst possible light Johnathan. After all, they ascribe infallibilityindeed, impeccabilityto White in all his dealings with Catholics, as this thread amply bears out. Thats nice, but you said he was merely assuming on the basis of one post. No, because I dont consider posting pictures in the name of humor a way to win a debate. Does it convey the information that you claim that he wants to convey, namely If you believe that, go re-read this thread. 3) James White always proclaims victory in debate even when he clearly is not the victor. Is it not fair to say that a great deal of bad behaviour in the last century was the work of regimes that were atheistic, if not scientistic? You contradict yourself within this sentence. I just cant believe people here arent just ignoring you. You have to expect to encounter such things with fallen human nature what it is. 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