The sheriff also had notable body language that could be interpreted as guilt or fear. Kim Riley told RTV6 at the time. On the show, did they say the sheriff was a suspect? People could not believe it, Lawrence said. (Other sources said that she only had a top on). I think it's someone they know and with whom they shared their porn files. Abby responds, "Hmmm." If the sheriff is indeed innocent, this documentary didnt do him any favors. The fat pedo is wearing an Auto Workers Union t-shirt. The window was right next to the door, the only light coming into the room. Leigh Kerrs new postings are contradictory to me - religious yet sexual tableau.. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. Our investigators are still, on a daily basis, receiving information which can be looked into. They are shooting themselves in the foot if they have no definitive DNA evidence because this case will go nowhere unless they exhaust the evidence they DO have. This fat guy wouldn't surprise anyone. I believe he is guilty of the two girls murders. I'd be nervous and careful walking over this bridge. One day, months later, the father took his young son out hunting on some land that bordered the land of the boyfriends, the son was looking through the scope of the rifle and noticed something across from them, the father went to look through the scope and was shot and killed. The only thing I can think of is that he was comparing body to body three unusual things done to/with each body. One of them started filming him but stuck her phone in her pocket when he got close so he wouldn't see it. There were some very iffy pics that the person claimed was one one the victims. We are changing the login scheme for contributors for simpler login and to better support using multiple devices. I have never heard of a case with so much secrecy in it. In Part II, the sheriff stated he had been reported as a suspect at least 3 times and had been questioned. Maam? HLN is airing a 2-night documentary based on the hit podcast, Feb 14 & 15. Authorities say Nations is not on their radar at this time. In the attack he was arrested for, her family says the 9 year old was bleeding out of her eyes from the strangulation? Very sorry. Stay away from places like this. R225 I was once a teen girl and yes you do walk just to walk sometimes. God, he just looks too much like the sketch. That was one of, if not the most, gruesome murder I have ever read about. I also tend to believe stuff released from family members, although I understand people may feel differently. Libby's phone was reset about a week before the murders, the guy's phone was reset to delete data after the murders. Later in Part II, they show video footage of a press conference held with the sheriff positioned behind the officer leading the conference. All that I could get my hands on. Indiana State Police previously said that autopsies were carried out on the two girls but officials declined to disclose a cause or time of death for either girl, and refused to confirm whether DNA evidence was recovered from the scene. To me, it sounds like he approached them, got their attention with Guys? and then showed a gun. This is one of the cases I try to follow pretty often, and when it happened I never thought we'd be this far along with no leads and no new information. Some say that the girls were killed inside a barn on RL's property and then later moved and during "dark hours" after LE had stopped searching. Like, we're doing this cool thing tomorrow afternoon. Stranger to the two victims. She made her first film in 1952, and, over the next decade, she established a following in British films. MYSTERY continues to surround the so-called Delphi Snapchat murders, nearly five years on from the killings of two teenage girls in Indiana who were found dead near a train track back in 2017. I'm not yet convinced, he does fit the sketch, he is a real creep but that still doesn't prove he did it. I have no feelings of hatred towards him, because I dont know him, or what the circumstance are surrounding the case, he said on Friday. Also the video and audio are horrifying. I think this thread has a virus or something? The second sketch was of a younger looking guy. It's this Chadwell dude to a "T". R435, it could also speak to the outfits for that area. When LE speaks of a religious aspect to the poses, I think it could be that Libby was posed to look like she had been crucified with blood coming from her hands and the from the wound that the stake made in her abdomen. She was almost beheaded. Although investigators have never given the exact context to the images or audio taken from the video, they have said they were taken during suspected criminal activity.. Regardless of whether it's a real person he's encountered or an image of some kind. ( R42) I think she hid the phone in her pocket. R392 I've clearly said that the tattoo could be any of the 3 women - Libby, Linda Blair in The Exorcist or his mother. This change could help broaden the search for Abby and Libbys killer. Holes, the retired homicide investigator, also said the app could prove helpful, as perhaps the closest thing the public has to more photos of the Delphi killings. I've thought about it repeatedly since it happened. Way back at the start (when I thought this would be satisfying to follow cuz it would be solved fast) there was online talk of shunned Amish communities around Delphi that seemed to have some promise . did that go anywhere? 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I bet those residents are furious and if they knew the name of a local guy, someone would go for him. I would never have believed then that it would still be going on 4 years later. It is only when we mature into mid to late teens that the concept of making our own decisions develop. I am praying they catch this guy in my lifetime. The guy behind Anthony schotz profile was in communication with Libby all weekend long. Two of these, the pictures from the Delphi murders, were found at the crime scene. One of them, Jimmy Dale Duvall, is dead now. I really wonder if this case would have looked different if the families had been wealthy rather than dirt poor. That's very short for a man. I will be very surprised if he isn't the Delphi killer Very. R222 Wow, one of the hosts practically named CN: He sold or may talk about selling property, graduate education, better job than most in Delphi, and especially, stressing he had his own way to and from and crime scene. Doug Carter read a few things during the press conference that seemed to come straight from a profiler, designed fuck with the killer's mind. That inexorable redneck fuck lumbering towards the camera in his stupid fucking dad jeans..and the casual way he orders them down the hillI just feel for those girls. Obviously we would have had to rely on other evidence gained, from all sources. WEST CHESTER Delphi Lawrence had been dead a little over a year when Chester County Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas A. Pitt Jr. called the case of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania vs. Carl Garnett. Leigh Kerr appears to be intelligent and if he/she is for real, my guess is he/she is an attorney in the DAs office. In terms of the disturbing footage I've heard, it's always hearsay in this case, that the disturbing footage consists of what the killer does to the bodies. No way. The primary focus by investigators is on the second sketch. The bulk of the pants almost show an outline of a gun to some. On Saturday, March 18, 1972, Garnett was convicted of first-degree murder. He convinced her that he loved her and when she agreed to marry him he coldly dumped her and never spoke to her again. Learn How rich is She in this year and how She spends money? There is an escort from that area who recorded the judge Kurtis Fouts and he resigned. There's a reason they want to move you to another area. That said, it's not proof of anything. Delphi Lawrences income source is mostly from being a successful Actress. Never mind. R299, the tattoo dates to before the murders, there's a photo of him playing with a puppy in 2016 where he has the tat. Any murder cases where there is audio/video of the act chills me to my core for some reason. R207 Thats my thought. Kim Riley says investigators have interviewed over 1,000 people, including possible witnesses, suspects and anyone who may have information about suspicious activity on the day the girls went missing. For further details of our complaints policy and to make a complaint please click this link: thesun.co.uk/editorial-complaints/, Abby Williams, 13, and her best friend Libby German, 14, were murdered in February 2017, Their bodies were discovered near a river a short distance away from the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, on February 14, 2017, James Brian Chadwell II was investigated after his arrest in April. There are rumors that they did collect touch DNA at the site but no one knows for sure. Libby and Abby's deaths quickly became an unsolved mystery that was thrust into the national spotlight. Seems old enough. You've seen too many movies. We have estimated The Snapchat photo shows Abigail walking on the abandoned railroad bridge. He said he would take her home, Garnett testified. R29 Sorry, I wasn't getting at that part. But c'mon, it's not the bridge, or Kelsi, or the parents who was the issue, it was this psychopath. sounds pretty close to "down the hill, guys" voice. And I think were one piece away one piece.. The cops could have taken the images and recording from the cloud. It sways back and forth and its not something you can just jump on and walk straight across if youve never done it before. Maybe it's the female inside him and he wants to kill that. Defields Lawrence was called to the stand to identify some clothes that had been found at the scene as belonging to his daughter. Why were they killed if not for sex? Some believe it's related to chadwell requesting a different venue due to Delphi publicity, but the cops are no longer going to discuss any suspect publicly. Thats huge for a DNA case, Bluestine, a law professor at Temple University, said. R128 and R129 This is why the crime won't be solved. I would like to know why the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was called in to help with this. . Yeah..:I wondered because it sounds like from her posts that he fooled them into thinking he was law enforcement. She appeared as Vera Charles in various touring productions of Mame, opposite such stars as SusanHayward, CelesteHolm, AnnSothern, and JulietProwse playing the lead role (Mame Dennis). It is, she said, a truly interesting case.. Im guessing Gelsons or The Abbey with her twink coke whores. He posed bodies in a horrifying way. It seems pretty in-line with their murders. and I'm leaving the joking behind. !| Case Discussion & FACT CHECKS!). Kline said he had about 100 pictures from underage girls that were sexual in nature, in addition to about 20 sexually explicit videos. I'll try to find an interview with Abby's mom that's pretty good. I will listen to the True Crime Garage podcast. I dont think theres multiple pieces of the puzzle. This case haunts me. Therein lies the problem, r415they must not have any DNA evidence. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they were the same car and someone changed the plates during the day. Chadwell, of Lafayette, was investigated in connection to the crime shortly after his arrest. Not sure if same poster but another perosn said that the audio after the down the hill line was the girls screaming, which chilled me. I wondered if they had someone in mind. I think the police probably have an idea of who it was and have much more evidence then we are aware of. Apparently an agent was home visiting family there when it happened and brought the FBI in. That would also account for his careful, hesitate gait, as well as the condition of the bridge, as you correctly pointed out. DELPHI | Libby German's sister hopes Twitter can help find her killer, "(We) thought we were going to get the clues that we needed and be done with this in four or five days," ISP Detective Jerry Holeman told RTV6 in 2019. Watched true crime shows as well. husband, Laurie Sautereau, at their home in Fulham, west London, on Saturday, had committed suicide. R28 thats horrific. James Chadwell should have been killed by the cops whrn they found the naked, sexually abused and beaten till almost dead, 9 year old girl locked in his basement. We dont know.. That Robert Lindsay guy requested me on Facebook just after the murders because I commented in a group about the girls. LE has really messed up -- particularly waiting too long to release info. A. That guy is like an every man, he could be anybody which is even scarier. 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. However, I do not think she is trustworthy. i don't want to jump on the "this is the guy!" R233 I dont think hes fat, either. With video, audio etc, I was sure of this and thought the girl who kept her phone going was so smart. R340, they do not doubt it's him, it's me- i just think it's too soon to say it's definitely him. I'm not going to assume it's him but he's a very good suspect or person of interest. Been lurking here for a while but am curious to ask this question. The investigators probing Abby Williams and Libby Germans murders have not offered comment one way or the other on the accuracy of the representation, however. We know how the girls died. But often decades go by until the perp is caught, do more to luck and happenstance than investigation. [quote] the tattoo dates to before the murders, there's a photo of him playing with a puppy in 2016 where he has the tat. Like Bundy fantasized and preyed on young thin college women with long brunette hair. height, weight, hair color, eye color), Specific Vehicle Descriptions (i.e. It was very suspect, imo. If interested, check out the podcast murder sheet which actually has a reading of the 130 page transcript. so many reddit threads i didn't read all the way through. I didn't see a scarf. Recent long list of Tobe answering questions. Some say that the recording contains much more footage of the killer but the parts with him in it are to graphic and disturbing to show and don't want to upset the families, and others say that what is out there is all they have off the killer but don't want the killer to know that's how little footage they have of him. Chadwell's brother says he's a monster and his step-father says he is capable of murder. Too bad this pos hasn't. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------. This weirdo factory reset his phone the day of the murders. Absolutely not. (R52)- I totally agree that he knows the area very well and lives there. He seemed like such a gentle soul most of the time, but could snap angrily really suddenly, and then immediately go back to his gentle self again. In 1962, she starred in episode 11 of TheSaint ("The Man Who Was Lucky") as Cora. They all looked like his girlfriend who dumped him. It was one of precious few updates on the Delphi murders since the initial investigation. I haven't followed this case extremely closely but now I do wonder if the police know it's this guy. . Their hard drives would have records of communication and shouldn't that give LE some lead as to the ISP? There is part of the video of one of the girls reactions that haunts one of the investigators. Within the last week Ive looked at new Reddit subs, historic Reddit/Websleuths places, and then gone down old rabbit holes and new ones. Please click here to register for free. Have they consulted with the local oracle? The murderer was or is definitely local or at least knew the trail. If nothing else claw their skin and get their DNA under your fingernails (it's probably on file somewhere already). There is a rumor told by locals that one of the girls was pregnant. The last press conference bordered on ridiculous. Is he the guy here continually saying "No way it's him. Q. She had blood under her fingernails. As her family grew frustrated with the lack of developments in the case, Liberty's older sister Kelsi German revealed in February 2020 that she is studying forensic science in the hope of one-day helping to solve who killed her sister. I feel like the girls would have maybe tried to flirt or talk to a younger guy. Too heartbreaking. She once had to pull out of the production suffering from exhaustion. This speaks to an evidentiary aspect of the investigation and I would respectfully prefer not to answer. R259, the video is blurry. As far as I've heard. i feel like they need some help from some higher sources. I hope this is the guy so there can be closure. Once the family said they dont think it was this guy it solidified it. They were reported missing a day earlier shortly after Libby posted a final image to Snapchat of Abby, showing her traversing the tracks of the bridge trail. R171that was my first thought when I checked her facebook pagehe's really into kidsmissing kids. She was stabbed in a neck artery and her heart. That would be the only reason they might drag their feet. Garnett was approached at the T.E. He wasn't speaking extemporaneously; he read it from notes. But despite all of the evidence released to the public, investigators have always been open about the fact that they are holding some of it close to their vests with the goal of having information that only the killer would know when they finally arrest him. R320--- I had forgotten about that murder, thank you. Those trails are where kids went. Weight ages you. Previously, police could only collect samples from those suspects who were convicted of a felony in the state. Hello. If Cheyenne did indeed call 911, the tape should be released. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. This whole case has been weirdly handled by police for years. One of his victims was a female bird watcher on an obscure trail of a nature reserve leading to speculation that the killer knew the specific area and lived/worked nearby. They threaten you, they don't go jump start to killing two people. He did everything to appear like a successful law student and volunteered in political circles. The video shows the suspect walking along the bridge behind Libby and Abby. We have no idea if LE has DNA, but the assumption is they don't or we would have heard of it being used to find the killer by now. Though, playing devil's advocate, there could have been other reasons he wanted to pretend he lived in Las Vegas, given he had been arrested for other crimes. Police released the images they say were taken straight from Libbys cell phone, on Feb. 15, 2017 the day after the girls bodies were found. More info on reddit: The killer appears to be an avid outdoorsman. In February 2017, they were about halfway through the eighth grade and had a day off from school in their small town of Delphi, Indiana. There is also no doubt in my mind that he kept a "memento" from the victims to relive the crime over and over again, the way John Wayne Gacy did. For unknown reasons, German took out her phone and recorded a brief video of the man but Germans decision proved prescient. Clearly, being the the murderer of two children would be a worse situation for the killer than the father of boy who had impregnated his 13 year old girlfriend. don't in any way contradict the date of the murders. Like when people put up side-by-side photos of innocent peopleor, at least, people with no ties to the state of Indiana or Delphiwhich creates false [information]. He said he met the girl in town, went to a party, walked her home, and then walked home himself, the news account states. Those poor, poor girls. Recent court documents filed refer to providing defense counsel for Keegan Kline an interview between his client and Barbara MCDonald, who is producer/narrator of the Down the Hill podcast series on Delphi, as well as a recorded interview between him and police. That little girl came as close to death as is possible without dying. R24 I would've thought the same but I read a case last year about a woman who was killed by her boyfriend, I can't remember the full details and I wish I had bookmarked the info, the guy was either in the police or had connections to the police. The scarves seem like a true report as Ive seen it over and over. The name means leaker.. The second piece of evidence is a short audio clip which was also found on Libbys phone. As more Delphi murders updates come in, all it takes is one phone call, according to State Police Superintendent Doug Carter. And frankly, maybe he doesn't know since many anonymous pedophiles use it. (Midday/midweek). 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