AMY GOODMAN: In Wyoming. You know, we had - we talked to many, many people who worked there, and, you know, they described Seddon as wanting to do more long-term operations - right? There was a year-long lease that was signed that allowed Project Veritas to put its operatives in that fancy house. Prince have ties to President Trumps aides and family. But, you know, his sister is Betsy DeVos, and she was Secretary of Education during the Trump administration. GOLDMAN: I believe that O'Keefe has interacted with Trump. Beau picks up - starts working this marijuana legalization angle to try to make contacts with people - elected officials who are, in fact, pushing this bill to legalize marijuana. O'Keefe did not respond to the substance of the Times' report but did accuse the newspaper of running a "smear piece" on Project Veritas. Do we know? Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. DAVIES: Right. "Somebody who had his calendar conveyed to me that he goes to Tosca all the time," she said, and she passed the information on to a man she believed to be a Project Veritas operative with a fake name. Seddon left the project in 2018, before O'Keefe started releasing low-impact "unmasking the deep state" videos. By Derek Royden - July 2, 2021 2466 SOURCE NationofChange Prince, saying he lied about the circumstances of his meeting with a Russian banker in the Seychelles in January 2017. Park County records show he also skipped Augusts primary election, but Prince said he had intended to vote in Wyoming this year. Prince said he learned he wasnt registered when I went to cast my early vote for the general election in late September. And they will get, you know, negative information from public records. There's a long backstory there. The Defense Department didn't go for it. They targeted The Washington Post. Is that what these interviews were about? They provide additional insight into the ambition of the operation to use undercover operatives to target Republicans seen as insufficiently conservative, as well as to, as one document describes it, research, penetrate and infiltrate the radical left networks.. And GOLDMAN: Involving Roy Moore - exactly. And Prince comes up in the special council report - Robert Mueller's report. A man named Samuel Chamberlain who matched the description of the one employed by Mr. OKeefe denied he worked for Project Veritas. In more recent years, Prince has remained a mover and shaker and a controversial figure on the international stage. And so I was able to piece that together. DAVIES: That's the Government Accountability Office. Neither party wants to be infiltrated like this. This is FRESH AIR. In a book published in 2018, Mr. OKeefe wrote that Mr. Trump years earlier had encouraged him to infiltrate Columbia University and obtain Mr. Obamas records. The documents give new details about efforts to manipulate the politics of Wyoming. That's a name some people will know. And, I mean, they were both active, but she was literally, you know, infiltrating these Democratic groups. This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. And he comes from a wealthy, conservative family in Michigan, right? Two weeks later, on Oct. 14, Prince submitted a new sworn statement in his defamation case, in which he acknowledged he had not registered to vote in Wyoming in 2017. Friday crash claims lives of Powell sisters, Powell resident now leads open lands organization, Authorities say they caught Cody man selling meth, Game and Fish plan set for aquatic invasive species threat, 128 South Bent StreetPowell, WY 82435 And it's not clear to us if he was making any money off of this. Most notably, Prince had incorrectly asserted under the penalties of perjury he had been registered to vote in Wyoming since 2017.. So what exactly was the plan to (laughter) catch McMaster saying something he shouldn't? Prince is separately under investigation by the Justice Department on unrelated matters, according to people familiar with the case. The special counsels report said that Mr. GOLDMAN: What - the training they got was when they worked for an outfit called Project Veritas. There's an annual one, Nellie T. Ross Banquet, and I believe it's in Cheyenne every February. They were undercover conservative operatives, the paper discovered, who had been trained at a ranch belonging to Blackwater founder Erik Prince by a former MI6 officer with ties to the right-wing . To continue reading, you will need to either log in to your subscriber account, or purchase a subscription. They broke into the DNC. DAVIES: Right. He owns a home on a lot adjoining his familys Double E Ranch in Wapiti. And we've written about that. I don't know. if (document.mmm_fo) document.write ("&mmm_fo=1"); He's a former British intelligence officer who served in Washington, D.C., and in Pakistan and eventually leaves the British Secret Intelligence Service and develops some relationship with Erik Prince, a security contractor, and ends up being director of field operations at the conservative group known as Project Veritas. McMaster was thwarting the president's agenda - right? You know, a big question about the stories that you've described is, is this activity illegal, what the couple did in Wyoming, you know, presenting themselves as - dishonestly as active Democrats in order to get information? Presiding Judge Johnson, who is based in Cheyenne, has himself signaled some uncertainty about whether Wyoming is the right place for Princes case to be heard; in early November, Johnson asked the parties to submit additional briefs on either transferring the case to another district or delving further into the issues related to jurisdiction. GOLDMAN: Erik Prince is the well-known founder of Blackwater, the security contractors who were involved in the massacre in Iraq. Why were they targeting H.R. And I realized they were giving money to Democrats in Wyoming, Arizona and Colorado. DAVIES: Right. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. Published October 16, 2017. You know, she attended that. if (document.context) document.write ("&context=" + escape(document.context)); DAVIES: You know, the other thing that I wanted to just clarify to the extent I can is how much of a driving force Erik Prince was in this. For example, a 2017 meeting he attended with a crown prince of the United Arab Emirates and an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin became a part of the impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, whom he has served as informal adviser. As the founder of Blackwater USA, now Academi, a private military company, Prince headed the organization. if (document.referrer) document.write ("&referer=" + escape(document.referrer)); More stories from theweek.comThe Republican theory of unemployment is classic MarxThere's growing speculation that Meghan Markle and Prince Harry will name their daughter 'Philippa'A short history of White House cats, American businessman and founder of Blackwater USA (born 1969), New Zealand politician and Prime Minister (18451906), 26th United States National Security Advisor, Read more about the operation and its cast of characters at, The Republican theory of unemployment is classic Marx, There's growing speculation that Meghan Markle and Prince Harry will name their daughter 'Philippa', Chicago Mayor Lightfoot ousted; Vallas, Johnson in runoff, King asks Duke and Duchess of Sussex to move out of Frogmore so Prince Andrew can move in, Biden Mocks Marjorie Taylor Greene With 1 Simple Hand Gesture, A Nebraska high-school cheerleader competed on her own after the rest of her squad quit. In an archived version of her LinkedIn page, Ms. Jorge wrote she had a deep interest in the conservative movement and hoped one day to serve on the Supreme Court after attending law school. Why are they there? Prince a former C.I.A. He was asked whether he had provided any of the groups secret recordings of Democracy Partners to the Republican National Committee or any member of the Trump family. You'd have to ask Mr. O'Keefe. Months later, in June 2019, a report said we are expecting a big haul, including new lines of intelligence on the Republican side of the house.. Given Mr. Princes extensive personal and professional ties to Wyoming, it is certainly plausible that some or all of [The Intercepts] sources to the extent they exist at all were located in Wyoming, Princes legal team wrote. But in a pending lawsuit, Prince asserts the April 13 story from The Intercept was false, defamatory and aimed at Wyoming. Because of the article, Prince says his reputation and professional opportunities within Wyoming suffered, along with his business interests and reputation in general. They - you know, there's a wide range of targets, and many of them have been exposed. Mr. Key figures in the operation are a former British spy named Richard Seddon and private security contractor Erik Prince, a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. GOLDMAN: Yeah. WASHINGTON Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive. There is little publicly available information about the company, but multiple Prince ventures, including Blackwater, have been based out of Moyock, North Carolina. Both Project Veritas and Mr. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. There were steps taken to advance this plan, but in the end, it didn't happen because McMaster was fired. Mr. According to its latest publicly available tax filing, Project Veritas received $8.6 million in contributions and grants in 2018. Several of them confirmed their donations. This is FRESH AIR. For instance, Princes 2014 memoir said he splits his time between homes in Virginia and Abu Dhabi, where he pursues a variety of business ventures.. GOLDMAN: She was very active. So O'Keefe's Instagram photo, you know, led people to realize that, you know, Prince had played a role, at least in letting Project Veritas use the ranch for training. He's been reporting on an effort by conservatives to train operatives in undercover operations to infiltrate progressive groups and Democrats. He was leading training. And we actually - I, you know, I - Mark and I reached out to our - one of great political reporters, Jonathan Martin, and asked him, you know. And his supporters have vilified us. - and, you know, that probably in terms of, you know, Iran - not pulling out of the agreement with Iran, the JCPOA, and, you know, McMaster, you know, wanting to keep, I guess, troops in Afghanistan. Adam Goldman reports on the FBI and national security for the Times and was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for national reporting on Russia's meddling in the presidential election. I think it was called "Deep State Exposed" or "Deep State Uncovered." All rights reserved. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. You know, again, as when Barbara Ledeen, the staffer for the Senate Judiciary Committee, which was run by Chuck Grassley, you know, was trying to find Hillary Clinton's missing emails, and Prince gets involved in that, too. GOLDMAN: I don't know if misrepresenting yourself to - and getting a job at a Democratic organization is a crime. Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary, rejected the idea. This is when there was the special Senate election in Alabama, right? And it's a fascinating story. It also seems, to me, murky. A former British spy and Republican mega-donor Erik Prince, a founder of the private military contractor Blackwater (now rebranded as "Academi) and brother to former U.S. Education Secretary. Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, a private security contractor firm used extensively by the administration of George W Bush, is said to be "seriously considering" challenging Wyoming. What did they show? So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. But before the parties get to the lawsuits merits, The Intercept is contending, among other arguments, that Wyoming is not the right place for the case to be heard. To win his case, Prince will ultimately have to show the story was false and he may also have to prove the publication knew the story was false or showed a reckless disregard as to whether it was accurate. Adam Goldman is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. Erik Prince, founder of private security contractor Blackwater and brother of former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, recruited a former British spy in 2016 to professionalize the undercover operatives at Project Veritas, the conservative sting video shop run by James O'Keefe, The New York Times reports, citing documents and people involved in the subsequent operations to discredit perceived "deep state" enemies of former President Donald Trump inside the U.S. government. Over two years, Mr. Seddons undercover operatives also developed networks in Colorado and Arizona, and made thousands of dollars in campaign donations posing as Democrats, both to the Democratic National Committee and individual campaigns. So he's going to pop up in all sorts of different places. In August 2017, Ms. Jorge wrote to Mr. Seddon that she had managed to record a local union leader talking about Ms. DeVos and other topics. I mean, he - it seems that - it's our understanding that Prince introduced Seddon to Project Veritas. Many conservatives have gleefully pounced on Project Veritass disclosures, including one particularly influential voice: Donald Trump Jr., the presidents eldest son. GOLDMAN: They were thwarting the president's agenda. GOLDMAN: Beau does. When does he do this, and do we know why? Mr. It's not clear to me how close he is to Trump. And this was not - you know, James O'Keefe has said Project Veritas was unaware of this, and they adamantly deny knowing anything about this. Beyond involving a different pool of jurors and a different judge, Prince may have a better chance of learning the identity of The Intercepts sources if the case stays in Wyoming, where there is no specific shield law protecting the confidentiality of reporters sources. In a Jan. 15 order, U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson of Cheyenne tossed out Prince's defamation lawsuit against The Intercept. He passed away recently. Mr. Seddons recruitment of Mr. "He's a very nice man," Prince said of Barrasso in the Breitbart interview. A former British spy and Republican mega-donor Erik Prince, a founder of the private military contractor Blackwater (now rebranded as "Academi) and brother to former U.S. Education Secretary. GOLDMAN: Yeah. An attorney for The Intercept reportedly told Princes lawyer in the spring the piece was one in a series of planned articles concerning Mr. Princes activities, though it has not published any further pieces to date. We're going to take a break here. GOLDMAN: It's not clear they're actually being trained in firearms training. Later that year, Mr. "He is not registered in Park County or [Wyoming] presently, unless he is not going by Erik Dean Prince and has changed his name," Park County Elections Deputy Pat Cole said in a Sept. 17 email; he said Prince hadn't voted in Wyoming since 2000. With @Project_Veritas's special training, we will be the next great intelligence agency. (SOUNDBITE OF GOGOL BORDELLO'S "NOT A CRIME"). And Mr. O'Keefe disclosed that Foster Friess had actually given Project Veritas money. - were directed to make them or reimbursed for them, then that's a potential crime. And then Mark Mazzetti, you know, my colleague, who just is an extraordinary journalist, we - you know, we managed to suss out what was going - we think - to a great degree what was going on in Wyoming and these other states. GOLDMAN: Well, again, this is a little murky. (SOUNDBITE OF BRUNO COULAIS' "SPINK AND FORCIBLE"). And, you know, and he is - you know, he's an international businessman. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. I have always understood him to be a resident of Northern Virginia, the lead writer of The Intercepts April story, Matthew Cole, wrote in a declaration. Mr. They've targeted CNN. The ex-undercover British spy, Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. Once a small operation running on a shoestring budget, Project Veritas in recent years has had a surge in donations from both private donors and conservative foundations. Mr. Princes role in the effort, which has not been previously disclosed, sheds further light on how a group of ultraconservative Republicans employed spycraft to try to manipulate the American political landscape. But if the case was transferred to New York, that states laws could apply. - where you have people in your organization who aren't who they say they are, you know, collecting intelligence, if that's what you want to call it. They also did the secret interviews at the airport in Cody in the - at the Prince hangar. Prince to help him secure funding is just one of the new details about Mr. Seddons operation revealed in documents obtained by The Times and interviews with people familiar with his plans. He's proposed similar things in other countries, hasn't he? But Trump would, from time to time, cite Project Veritas videos in his, you know, comments, public comments and speeches, right? Remind us who they are and what they've done. Erik Prince, the founder of private military company Blackwater, whose sister Betsy DeVos was Trump's education secretary, trained the spies Their job was to find out who was disparaging Trump. And it would - you know, and make an enormous amount of money. What was this about? Amid his globe-trotting, however, Prince says he does most of his work from Wyoming and calls Park County home. '&charset='+document.characterSet : '')); And then they married last week. I'm Dave Davies, in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. And, you know, eventually she starts using this to meet other prominent Democrats in the state. They make significant political contributions, right? Sofia is from Maryland. Private property rights are a major cornerstone to how Wyoming operates, but so is prioritizing a rural, quiet lifestyle - ultimately, the former won out in Sublette County. And, you know, Seddon then reached out to, you know, a family - an old friend who had worked at the FBI. Set some context for us here. GOLDMAN: The Georgetown house in D.C. was used as a base to, you know, essentially launch these undercover operations in the summer of '18, I guess, into the fall and maybe later. [I] was a Wyoming resident for many years, he told Brietbart. They were, in fact, going to use a former Project Veritas operative named Tarah Price, who lives in the Dallas area, to, you know, possibly ensnare McMaster at a restaurant, get him to say something ill toward or maybe negative about Trump, something that would compromise him. You know, O'Keefe has clearly raised a lot of money, you know, millions of dollars. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. Last year, the House Intelligence Committee made a criminal referral to the Justice Department about Mr. At the time, Prince was exploring the possibility of mounting a Republican primary challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. They'd been recruited and trained in an operation led by a former British spy and security contractor Erik Prince, an avid supporter of Donald Trump. Wyoming is not the place for security contractor Erik Prince to sue a New York-based publication, a federal judge says. And we're speaking with New York Times reporter Adam Goldman. They received training for covert operations at a ranch near Cody owned by Blackwater founder Erik Prince, where Maier's mother works as a cook. Regardless, Princes residency is not the real issue in the case. Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. DAVIES: Right. GOLDMAN: Well, they - you know, they - Beau is from Cody, Wyo., so he had some Wyoming roots. Funneling contributions through a third party is a feature of the federal election code and most state election codes. Click here to see your options for becoming a subscriber. 1-307-754-2221. The financial document also listed the names of others who gave much smaller amounts to Project Veritas last year. Good stuff, Mr. Seddon wrote back. Project Veritas has said its activities are legal and protected by the First Amendment, and the case is scheduled to go to trial in the fall. Whether any Trump administration officials or advisers to the president were involved in the operations, even tacitly, is unclear. I believed that to be true at the time that I signed my declaration, Prince wrote, but I have since come to learn that I was mistaken.. Their reporting on the department won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting. The campaign discovered the operative and fired her. Mr. Seddon directed an undercover operative to secretly tape the unions local leaders and try to gather information that could be made public to damage the organization, documents show. And they will attend their rival's news conferences, public events and gather information. Despite making multiple comments about Princes ties to Virginia, The Intercepts legal team said its immaterial to their jurisdictional arguments, which center on the publications own lack of ties to Wyoming. DAVIES: When Richard Seddon and Erik Prince got connected with Veritas and cooperated on some of these operations, what was the effect on Veritas? This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. And last year, I learned that Beau and Sofia had been working out of this house in Georgetown. No one tells Project Veritas who or what to investigate, he said. Let me reintroduce you. The former Navy SEAL gained fame for the supporting role his Blackwater firm played in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the security contractor became infamous when its employees killed 14 Iraqi civilians and wounded 17 others in Baghdad in 2007. The plan was reportedly to send a female operative to Tosca, a restaurant McMaster frequented, to engage him in drinks and conversation and record him disparaging Trump or making other inappropriate remarks on camera. DAVIES: Wow. And there was, you know, another individual from the Emirates who was there. In 2017, Prince invited O'Keefe and Project Veritas employees to his family's Wyoming ranch and arranged for an unnamed former British MI6 officer to provide training for the group, The . document.write ('&cb=' + m3_r); A document that month said that Mr. Seddons operatives had identified three potential sources in the new governors administration and have begun accelerated cultivations with a view to early recruitment., Later in January, the operatives wrote that they had successfully recruited another source with a role in the new governors administration, adding that the source has agreed to provide insights, help expose corruption and assist with eventual placement of undercovers.. Erik Prince, founder of private security contractor Blackwater and brother of former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, recruited a former British spy in 2016 to professionalize the undercover. So we had never seen something like that. Mr. That's a strawman campaign donation. Overall, how do conservatives regard Project Veritas? Currently, Prince leads a Hong Kong-based firm providing security, logistics, insurance and infrastructure services in parts of Africa and other high-conflict areas. The job put her in a position to gain valuable information about which Republican candidates the group was supporting with independent advertising. There was a massacre at a plaza in Iraq. But he was extremely wealthy conservative in Wyoming named Foster Friess, who had actually run for governor in '18. And so, you know, I can't tell you right now it hasn't, that somebody else isn't doing this. Along with gathering intel, Maier and LaRocca sought to bait individuals associated with Better Wyoming into making statements they could secretly record and hand over to their clients. Was he primarily the guy who got this thing moving? ADAM GOLDMAN: They went there after making sizable donations to the DNC, the Democratic National Committee - $10,000 each - at the request of a Colorado businessman who was a - he's a fundraiser for the Democrats and basically said, if you make this donation, you can come and hang out in Las Vegas. You know, there seemed to be - what it showed was, you know, Prince is well-traveled and is always looking for business opportunities. Prince registered to vote in Park County back in 1992, but that registration lapsed after he failed to vote in the countys 2002 elections, according to county records. McMaster. James OKeefe, a conservative activist, founded Project Veritas. - not one expose every year. MATTHEW COLE: In. Mark Gordon, who was viewed as a RINO in some Wyoming conservative circles. Prince recruited Mr. Seddon to join the conservative group Project Veritas to teach espionage skills to its operatives and manage its undercover operations. In particular, you know, Sofia targeted a employee with the GAO. However, after the Powell Tribune questioned some apparent inaccuracies in his Sept. 16 statement, Prince acknowledged misstating a couple of his connections to the state. And then as I sort of gathered - started to gather information on this, I knew this was going to be a story. Prince said he regularly host[s] customers, investors, employees and other business associates at my Wyoming ranch.. However, he ultimately did not challenge Barrasso in 2018 nor did he vote in those off-year elections, Prince acknowledged in Octobers revised declaration. Prince invited Project Veritas operatives including Mr. OKeefe to his familys Wyoming ranch for training in 2017, The Intercept reported last year. Prince a former C.I.A. Attorneys for the outlet say The Intercept has no particular connection to the state and Princes ties are uncertain. In that deposition, Mr. OKeefe defended the groups undercover tactics, saying they were part of a long tradition of investigative journalism going back to muckraking reporters like Upton Sinclair. DAVIES: But the idea was that these public officials or FBI agents were secretly - they were part of the deep state. DAVIES: Let's talk about some of the people who are behind this. And his son - he brought his son, who was a former army officer, on board to help. DAVIES: Did any of these result in resignations, firings, criminal investigations GOLDMAN: You know, and in the end, the people who were involved, I think, were, you know, slightly humiliated. And then I started Googling them and doing some research on them. For example, Rolling Stone published an investigative piece in October, The New York Times broke the news of Princes potential run on Oct. 8, 2017, in another interview with Breitbart a few days later, identified the site as the Prince ranch in a 2019 article, asserting Prince participated in a plan to dampen turnout among Black voters, Powered by Creative Circle Media Solutions. And this photo of James O'Keefe, who's, you know, the founder of Project Veritas, firing a weapon with a silencer, apparently, at Erik Prince's ranch - were they being trained in firearms there? The list included John Cox, then the director of the Wyoming Department of Workforce Services, and Scott Talbott, then the director of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. And they targeted a reporter, a Washington - a very good Washington Post reporter named Stephanie McCrummen, who - they picked up on it very, very, very quickly GOLDMAN: And figured out that this woman was not who she said she was. And they would find people, and they would go out with them. There was a meeting at lunch which led to a resignation, I believe, of GOLDMAN: They targeted our editor, Dean Baquet. //]]>-->. McMaster, Trump's second national security adviser. Mr. And I think the end goal was make a video and, if necessary, try to get the White House to fire McMaster. DAVIES: Right - Erik Prince, the security contractor who we'll talk more about. GOLDMAN: These were videos - you can find them on Project Veritas', you know, website or on YouTube now. Reaching out to several intelligence veterans and occasionally using Mr. Seddon to make the pitch Mr. One of the undercover operatives also got a job working for a consortium of wealthy liberal donors the Wyoming Investor Network which had made a strategic decision to support Republican moderate candidates over those more closely aligned with Mr. Trumps agenda, the documents say. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. 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