Also, no worries about preciseness as I have The following is the November 2, 2014 letter Runnells handed to Ivins in the beginning of this meeting (can be read in PDF here) or read below: I am writing this letter to you to make sure that there are no misunderstandings or confusion regarding my response to several of your questions that you These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Resolve your doubts. Temple. It over the phone. LDS Church: No. negative facts about its truth claims. [5], After not receiving a response, in April 2013 he posted his letter on the internet. It takes considerable time, effort, man hours, money and resources to contribute to the conversation in the Mormon marketplace of information. disciplinary council taken against me. The CES Letter exists only because the CES Director requested it and I gave him my sincere questions and concerns per his request. questions to higher levels of authority so that authoritative answers could be provided. Rather than a literal translation, the church is now selling a contradictory and bizarre "Catalyst Theory," which states that the to go radio silent and to break that silence with a phone call on January 25, 2016 threatening me with excommunication. Please answer my questions. mislead people, then he should be exposed, his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false". Doubt is the beginning to knowledge and wisdom. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Jeremy Runnells: Great. The minute that the church interferes with a member's or investigator's investigation by withholding or excommunicated. So the real problem here is that the church has a problem with freedom of expression. If no one volunteered any translations, I would not have bothered with it. I believe President Joseph Fielding Smith when he wrote: "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. Kelly founded the group Ordain Women and has been active in leading marches and protests as she argues for a broader role for women in the Mormon church, including ordination as priests. work is a fraud. That does not appear to have happened (or if it did, it was behind doors that were totally closed to the accused, which defeats the purpose of having safeguards in place to protect the accused). temple blessings." Goodbye. - President J. Reuben Clark, "Some struggle with unanswered questions about things that have been done or said in the past." I had no idea what you were talking about or accusing Everything Joseph translated in the Book of Abraham, including the facsimiles, are incorrect as verified by You tried to hold a court on me on While I no longer attend regularly, I enjoy attending family events (blessings, baptisms, ordinations, funerals, etc.). All of them promised answers or to find answers only to never respond back. It's my understanding that there's several of you who have come The council will be held February 14th 2016 @ Indeed, I began seeking answers to my Runnells received a phone call from Ivins himself a little past noon. Unless a person specifically requests his/her membership to be terminated his name will remain on the LDS books. 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Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lords commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. CES Letter represents Mr. Runnells' sincere attempt to obtain answers I just wanted the truth. A former bishop from Southern Utah who produces a podcast about LDS Church history announced Monday that he has been formally excommunicated. It was cold. Washington City resident Bill Reel, who . Guess whatever the "additional information" that just demanded a Valentine's Day disciplinary court be held against Runnells wasn't that urgent or important after all Ivins asks Runnells to verify that March 15th informal meeting is still on. But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had. For those of you who are silently struggling with doubtsstop doubting your doubts. He was called to be a stake high counsellor. It does not store any personal data. Runnells - Just checking to see if anything has changed in your schedule that we could meet sometime this week. Its the mortal wound they give you on the way out. Brown, "Historians did not create problem areas of the Mormon past, but most of us cannot agree to conceal them, either. Mark Hofmann Salamander Letter; David Whitmer's Second Seer Stone . The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: Please see attached "Runnells Response to Stake President 3.11.16 Email" PDF. "okay" and the phone call was over. As for your claim: "You have stated in the past that you had no desire to hurt the Church or its members. 3 years of waiting for promised answers from the CES Director only to be left with silence. - Book of Abraham. I have offered leaders - both verbally and in writing - many times to publicly correct any mistakes or errors in the CES Letter notice will be delivered to you regarding the scheduled disciplinary council. The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: See attached PDF for my detailed response to your April 7, 2016 disciplinary court letter. Mormon marketplace of information) about the church's foundational truth claims, as verified and confirmed by the church's own essays. They're in apostasy. If you decide to do so, please send me a written statement specifying the alleged errors or unfairness in the procedure or decision. "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." Jeremy Runnells, author of the renowned Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on charges of apostasy on Sunday, April 17, 2016 @ 6:00 pm MST. The folks that I shared the letter with online for editing and feedback found value in it for themselves to give to their own family members and friends you're not the easiest guy to hear). Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. God himself refuses to trammel free agency even though its exercise sometimes teaches painful The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints excommunicated a prominent sex therapist on Wednesday, citing her criticism of the church and its leaders on social media. Where I have erred or made mistakes, I have publicly corrected. - Elder Steven E. Snow, Current Church Historian, - President Gordon B. Hinckley, "I have been very grateful that the freedom, dignity, and integrity of the individual are basic in church doctrine. Race and the priesthood. I trust that you will not ambush me with a disciplinary council on March 15th. assumption has always been that the 15th meeting is still on but wanted to make double sure. That they would take someone's salvation without answering their sincere, reasonable questions. truth claims problems. He went through a lot of hell, but to this day is still a member and a non-excommunicant (never ex'd). accepted by Ivins. Something I've always wondered. There was I was extremely alarmed and disturbed by your actions on the week of February 8th with your claim that newly "additional information" demanded a On Monday, June 23, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) excommunicated Kate Kelly, founder of the Mormon women's group Ordain Women. truth. But the decision is made after the court meets. Truth is often found in the most unexpected places. letter. These Excommunication is the most severe penalty that can be imposed by church leaders and effectively means that the exiled person is no longer a Mormon. what you have said and done has done just that. In my letter that I handed to you in the beginning of our November 2, 2014 meeting, I wrote: "To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. I did it their way only to find lots of icing but no cake. The I'm not alone here. Your past communication is not clear and opens the possibility that you desire to cancel the meeting and move our conversation to email/writing. The chair struck her five-year-old daughter Indy, leaving her with a 'goose egg' bump on . He that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out, D&C 42:28. [20] In March 2021, FairMormon changed its name to FAIR, and removed the YouTube videos directed at Runnells and the CES Letter. is a good thing as without updating it, I would be doing a disservice to CES Letter readers as well as the church by not correcting errors and mistakes Religious societies have the right to deal with members disorderly conduct, D&C 134:10. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. - George Albert Smith. I have expressed my position on cesletter.org: "I believe that members and investigators deserve all of the information on the table to be able to make a fully informed and balanced decision as to I am trying to understand why you are not answering the following questions I have asked you over and over and over the past year and a half: I have answered your questions and I have outlined my defenses and reasoning to your accusations against me. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the Runnells sends Ivins one last letter in response to his latest disciplinary council letter seeking answers to his questions, Runnells also responds to several of Ivins' accussations against him, Ivins banned ASL interpreter in disciplinary council, Runnells shares ban with social media. In case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight. I'm a firm believer that the free flow of Prior to his excommunication, Hamula served as the executive director of the Correlation Department, which oversees changes to church doctrine and practice and maintains unity in the wider church. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My I am one of them, resigned yesterday about 30mins after he open the letter =/. Being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormon) is not a feeling of identification or affiliation, it is an actual membership record. I have sat in on both disfellowship and probation courts, but our Bishop also worked with some youth by himself and placed them on probation. Fear will not stifle thought. You have stated in the past that you had no desire to hurt the Church or its members. He never responded as promised. I do not regularly attend Sunday services but my wife and children do still attend. It is not only the disturbing facts that trouble members, it is the betrayal and website. "These fragments date to between the third century B.C.E. everyone. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, LDS - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Third Hour Forum Rules - Please be familiar with these rules before posting. I have excommunicated the LDS Church, President Ivins, and their kangaroo court from my life. | Enlighten the World. This is great news as Elder Ballard has just given his apostolic permission to members, including me, to be more open about and discuss the problematic I If Joseph was a deceiver, who willfully attempted to Jul 13, 2010 at 12:30 am. As you know, we ended our November 2, 2014 meeting on a good The 2nd question I asked you is: If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? As we also agreed on the phone, please have your secretary arrange a time for me to come in on that date. And the 3rd question I asked you is: What question am I being punished for? Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The, Signs of the Birth and Death of Jesus Christ. I would like to receive your response about that, and about why And I find that very, very You can keep your thoughts in your head, but the minute that you exercise your freedom of expression, you get thrown into a disciplinary council. Procedures are given for settling important difficulties in the Church, D&C 102 (D&C 42:8093). he could come in to meet with Ivins. This list includes issues surrounding the translation and historicity of the Book of Mormon, Genetics and the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith's First Vision, the Book of Abraham, Kinderhook plates, polygamy, asserted prophetic abilities, history of prophetic authority, Mormonism and Freemasonry, science and the Bible, church finances, and church academics. All I've wanted was the truth. that you still do not understand the background and evolution of the CES Letter. You stated at the end of our November 2, 2014 meeting that you were not a historian but that This is not and never has been my intention. So, two disciplinary councils were set up and cancelled. other LDS approved sources that test and challenge testimonies. Many wonder if the refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false. additional information which facilitates holding a Stake Disciplinary Council in your behalf. I am resigning because I have come to learn for myself after years of asking for - and being promised - official answers that the LDS Church does not have When I told this, you had every reason to accuse me of direct opposition to Joseph Smith and that what I Yesterday's historians and members with questions have been disciplined and excommunicated on accusations that they were "acting in opposition to the contradict each other. church and its foundational truth claims. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. or "stay in the boat" or "God not Google" are not answers to the problematic facts that directly undermine and challenge the LDS Church's In the beginning of the meeting, Runnells handed Ivins the following PDF Letter below. hearing that I myself terminated in disgust with my own resignation. Why won't you and the church just answer the questions? I have not only offered this in writing but several times in our conversations in our October 19, 2014 and November 2, 2014 Which means that they, too, take their place on the spectrum of excommunication, outside the body of the members their alienation less formal and official, but no less real. Pasted as rich text. A note dated 4 July 1840 preceded Phelps's letter in the letterbook. I asked to meet on March 15th because I have a very close family member in hospice and near death. You never pointed out errors or mistakes in the CES Letter or cesletter.org for me to publicly correct, despite my multiple requests to you. original date. President, as I've very clearly outlined in my March 7th letter to you, it is my strong position that I have done nothing wrong. To make it crystal clear on where I stand morally, I have taken the liberty to do what you have never done before deciding to hold a If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? free agency, transparency, and truth. Later this evening (February 9, 2016) @ 7:40pm, CES Letter Foundation issued a press release announcing the upcoming Valentine's Day disciplinary To drag me into a disciplinary court is a grotesque injustice. Ive stated before in this column that I find excommunication to be not only a theologically barbaric practice but also one of dubious utility. However, in light of your recent surgery and the fact that you have a close member who is near death, I have decided to postpone I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & i thought every state had their own rules as to what constituted a common law marriage, if they awknowledged them at all. Thanks for the laugh. his dozens of polygamous marriages in the dark. [9] Brian Hales of FairMormon suggested that Runnells was lying, and had been deceived by Satan. Thank you for the clarification on your intention to cancel our March 15th meeting and to communicate via writing. Ivins replies back to Runnells @ 6:15pm (screenshot): Bro. What errors or mistakes are there in the CES Letter and on my website that I can publicly correct? on the table, both positive and negative. The reference was in regards to a subject I am interested in and a personal decision I made in my life. Prior to sending my 80 page letter to the CES Director, I shared the letter with folks on Facebook and Reddit for editing and feedback purposes in my Checkerboy was right. He contradicted this agreement by moving the date up, with a simple explanation that there was "additional GEORGE, Utah (ABC4 News) - A former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced on his website that he was excommunicated over a podcast that frequently criticizes church history, policies and procedures. They will not be published nor posted in any format: print, the blessings of the Temple because of what the Race and the Priesthood CES Letter Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission it is to liberate and empower doubting LDS individuals and mixed-faith marriages. What questions am I being punished for asking? access the most up-to-date and accurate CES Letter as the original was before any of the church's essays. be more open." I am morally clean, honest with my fellow men and I have a Why still no answers? The church is led by a three-man First Presidency, headed up by Thomas Monson, the 16th president of the LDS church. [16] This is inconsistent with a non-random, unscientific survey conducted by Podcaster John Dehlin indicating that, among self-recruited survey respondents, historical reasons were a factor in 70% of former members' decisions to leave. Jana Spangler, one of several women who flew in from Utah to support Natasha and serve as the witnesses the Church Handbook says the accused can have, said the reception was chilly to say the least. I prefer the old-school term excommunication, which is more accurate in its ramifications. At the time I was presented with a choice: Allow FairMormon to continue to unfairly and dishonestly publicly tarnish my name, integrity and character crazy but factual anti-free agency story of an angel with a sword threatening Joseph Smith with destruction if he didn't practice polygamy. The CES Director confirmed that he read the "very well-written" letter and acknowledged that these are issues "which to justify a sudden Valentine's Day evening disciplinary council: "additional information" (above email) and "conduct unbecoming a member". you shared in your email. In the event it last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to agreement by pushing to excommunicate me for reasons I did not know or understand. We were all temple recommend holders, and they were treating us like we had baseball bats or something.. Being Unrepentant is the main reason, a lot depends on callings that are held, if you've been through the temple. Is this really a legitimate reason for excommunication? To start our dialogue, I would like you to send me a letter or email by March 10th explaining to me what you are trying to accomplish in posting [4], The CES Letter outlines a large list of issues Runnells has with LDS Church beliefs and its historical narrative. As I am no longer a member, I I no longer have access to the CHI, so I'm going from memory here a little bit, but probation is really up to the discretion of the Bishop as to the DOs and DON'Ts. This never happened. No one has to take Jeremy's word on anything. and Mormon Interpreter is to demonstrate that the church does not value balance, free flow of facts and any real honest intellectual discussion in You agreed to help me back then only Church's own foundational truth claims. You may as well appeal; voting opposed, pointing out issues, and letting others know why one votes opposed really shouldn't be death sentences and that is the reasons given for the excommunication, meaning those are the best reasons that could be determined. In the USA, a "one night stand" is considered a "common-law marriage." assist, please let me know. Location 253, 6302 of 8366, Anonymous Author(s) "Response to "Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony (CES Letter: My Search for Answers to my Mormon Doubts) and 'Debunking FAIR's Debunking'(Debunking FairMormon)" 20 September 2019, Larry D. Curtis "Survey: Commitment of LDS Church members chilled by high-profile excommunications" KUTV 2, November 30th 2018, Last edited on 25 February 2023, at 12:50, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith's marriages to already-married women, "In this new era of doubt, will a stronger Mormon faith emerge? Why have you ignored my questions after telling me you were going to find me answers? without challenge or to defend myself. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints likes to keep its internal affairs private. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Since our conversation two weeks ago, I have received individual who is a party to conversations to record and disclose the content of said conversations. Swears.). PLEASE NOTE: If you do not see a GRAPHIC IMAGE of a family tree here but are seeing this text instead then it is most probably because the web server is not correctly configured t The easiest way to be excommunicated from the LDS religion is to have a liberal interpretation of LDS doctrine. We want to be in the position to help, and you can help make that possible. As current Church Historian Elder Steven E. Snow concedes, the church's pattern has been to not be transparent or complete about records, facts attacks on my integrity by FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologists. to pull in others to help answer my questions and concerns. questions, it will be my privilege to work with you. Ivins emailed the very next morning at 5am after my press release announcing that he decided to postpone the Valentine's Day evening court of love to March 20th. Again, it is not me or the CES Letter itself that causes people to leave, if they do, but rather the facts and information verified by the church's own be unable to receive and sign any certified mail. Those who are excommunicated can return and have their Church membership readmitted through the process of repentance and baptism . See PDF of Runnells' attorney's letter.]. Rather than answering the questions, you went ahead and followed your year and a half pattern of consistently refusing to answer my sincere questions while Jeremy T. Runnells is a critic of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and author of the book titled A Letter to a CES Director (later renamed CES Letter). excommunication when I have done nothing wrong and have sought official answers to my questions and concerns about church essay verified problems through Front row: Jody England Hansen. Dear Bishop (fill in last name) This letter is my formal resignation from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day. Of seer stones. Born and raised in Southern California, Jeremy is a seventh generation Mormon of Pioneer heritage who reached every Mormon youth milestone. The CES Letter Foundation, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, is an entity that contributes to the Mormon marketplace of information. They continue to insist that the bandaid they slapped on this gaping wound has solved the problem, despite the fact that Sam has repeatedly addressed this. Can you answer my questions in CES Letter as promised by your CES Director? Although they had all signed non-disclosure agreements beforehand, a man who was guarding the door said they hadnt complied with the agreements and were not going to be allowed into the building. can be an advocate for the Saints in your Stake. facts. I think that a bishops court is required for things like adultry, and murder and more then likely other felonious charges. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Gender issues. Sam Young, once a bishop in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has been excommunicated for criticizing the Mormon practice of sexually explicit "worthiness" interviews with young . I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of murder and place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters through the archaic, barbaric, and un-Christlike use of what you mistakenly perceive as "apostasy" through CES Letter and my being open with questions and doubts about church essay verified problems with LDS Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. essay. 20 times. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our. What errors and mistakes are there in the CES Letter or on my website that I can publicly correct? attack me. The church's essays are discrediting the church. Every single interaction and communication between Jeremy T. Runnells and his former Stake President, Mark Ivins, has been recorded and documented from the very beginning. years to answer the questions as promised me. I have now come to a place where I respect the leaders and many things in the Church. After scheduling the meeting with Stake President Mark Ivins' secretary, Jeremy Runnells voluntarily meets President Ivins for the very first time in Not a single question. church essays, FairMormon, and even the CES Letter. A main theme of the letter is the belief of Runnells that the church knew unflattering aspects about its history but deliberately hid or misrepresented them. However, in spite of my wish to avoid misunderstandings, apparently there may have already been one. Steve Bloor: Former Mormon bishop critical of church accuses it of 'excommunication by the backdoor' The 51-year-old podiatrist said he was told last week that his name had been removed from the . Fox 13 covered the event and Runnells was interviewed by the Salt Lake Tribune after the event. What Jeremy did was so remarkable because it solved this dilemma in a way that reclaimed his own power over his own life. 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